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The Big Defection

Posted Fri Aug 24, 2007, 2:09 PM ET — By Shane Buettner

Well, so much for being on vacation. Yes, your intrepid editor here has been attempting to get some time away from the AV rat race, but, in the words of the immortal Michael Corleone (cue the deep, gravelly voice), "they pull me back in."

Yeah, this week's defection by Paramount got me banging away of my keyboard frantically, much to the chagrine of Mrs. Editor and Editor Jr. But hey, if the format war's not taking a vacation I guess I'm not either.

Scoping around at the pieces of op/ed that heavy on the op, there are some common threads as far as the reaction goes. The story that Paramount and DreamWorks pulled the rip cord on the switch-eroo from a $150 million golden parachute has been repeated often enough to be considered Internet fact (ahem). And surprisingly reports have Paramount getting $50 million and DreamWorks taking the $100 mil balance. Hey, now we know why Shrek is green.

I'm still processing my thoughts on this, but here are some initial scattered reactions to both the announcement and some of the reaction to it. An be kind- I'm on vacation, so this isn't as coherent as it ought to be because I'm not!

First, make no mistake, this is significant. Part of the Blu-ray spin is that Paramount and Dreamworks don't put out aneough titles to shift the balance, they don't have as many big movies coming out, etc. While overall, much of this is true, this is still a big deal. With overall HD sales so low, a few huge sellers can make a big difference- and make no mistake, Transformers and Shrek 3 are the kind of titles that could have an impact.

And certainly the downside of that is that the format war is far likelier to continue longer now. We're definitely closer to parity than we were, and I'll just say it- it also makes things closer to a tipping point in favor of HD DVD. It seems possible to me that if the war looks like a long term thing after this Christmas, it doesn't seem overly farfetched to think that maybe a big studio like Disney might be more likely to also look at releasing on HD DVD.

According to my sources, Disney took part in developing the HDi interactivity layer, and according to some has been disappointed in Blu-ray's lack of interactivity (games that suck and choke up your player to boot just don't count). Just as Universal would tip the war perhaps irrevocably in Blu-ray's favor by issuing in that format, Disney could also swing a ton of momentum for HD DVD. I have no inside info on this, but if cheap Asian players really flood in and HD DVD holds its own this holiday season, who knows?

On Paramount and DreamWorks selling out consumers' best interests, welcome to the sad state of the world. In my opinion, many of the same people who are saying Paramount screwed consumers would be applauding if Blu-ray had been chosen. Anyone really think with all Sony has invested in Blu-ray, that if times get desperate, that Sony's above offering a pile of cash for support? This move is under more scrutiny now because for many it seemed that the end of the format war was in sight, with Blu-ray's yearlong dominance.

We don't really know what incentives financial or otherwise that Sony and the Blu-ray Association has given to Warner, Fox Disney or anyone else. So how can we say Paramount and DreamWorks sold anyone out any more than Disney or Fox? And another story floating around is that Disney and Lion's Gate almost switched to HD DVD last year before being brought back into the exclusive Blu-ray camp by a healthy amount of incentives of some kind or other. So, this is something going on with both camps according to some, and frankly, lousy as it is, that's what happens in a format war.

Other opinions are painting Microsoft as the bad guys, and hey, everybody seems to love to hate MS, so why not hang the black hat on Bill and Co.? Hell, I'm an iPhone carrying Mac guy myself. One line of thought here is that Microsoft ponied up the cash for the Paramount bribe and is hooking up the studios with VC-1 encoding and HDi help in exchange for exclusive download content. Tangential to this theory is that MS wants the format war to last long enough to keep consumers from mass adoption of either format so that downloads through the Xbox Live Marketplace win the format war.

I don't know that anyone really knows where or how MS is spending its money here, but one thing I do know is that the people I've come across from MS who are supporting HD DVD, VC-1 encoding, HDi intereactivity et al, are to a person among the most passionate hi-def enthusiasts I've come across. And passionate about the overall quality and features that for now are solely the province of HD on a disc, not download. If there's a conspiracy among those at MS, either the people I've interacted with are the best actors in the world or they aren't aware of it. Not saying it doesn't exist at some level just saying I haven't seen it.

And in a sense, there is some ironic humor in the idea that piracy paranoid Hollywood might inadvertently strengthen the download devil in a short-term cash grab. Download is going to be a major force in content distribution at some point, but most pundits think that time is years away, and in the meantime there's plenty of time for another disc format (or two) to make a dent. No physical media (nor two or three combined) will ever be as ubiquitous as the DVD was, but I expect one or both of these formats to be viable for years, even if it's eventually just to the quality conscious niche.

Another story being bandied about is that Paramount's Blu-ray authoring and replication costs had been subsidized previously, and once that subsidy ended and Paramount looked at the costs involved it decided that HD DVD offered more for less. BD authoring, especially in the Java environment, is supposedly very time consuming and therefore expensive, and yields are reportedly low and costs high on disc replication. Speculation I've seen (but admittedly not verified) has placed replication costs of a BD-50s (50GB dual-layer discs) as high as $4 a piece in the small runs often being done at this point, with HD DVDs coming in closer to $1.25 or so. That is substantial if even remotely correct.

On top of that, another story I read noted something I've been beating the drum on a bit here at UAV. That Paramount likes the stability of the interactivity feature set and consistency with players on the HD DVD side. Not to mention, that since even the first-gen HD DVD players are now compatible with web-enabled features that more revenue possibilities are open on the HD DVD side right now. Standalone Blu-ray players appear to be a few months out on catching up with Picture-In-Picture capability at all, and it looks like web-enabled features are another generation or two away for anything other than the PS3.

I don't know that interactivity will sell either format to the masses, but I believe the studios think it will help.

And let's not get too carried away. HD DVD still has a long row to hoe. Even with Shrek 3, Transformers and (probably) Bourne Ultimatum coming on exclusive HD DVD releases, Blu-ray is manning the ramparts with a wave of exclusive content, including Close Encounters, the Spider-Man Trilogy, Cars and Ratatouille from Pixar, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End and a few others. Player prices are below $499 and likely to drop more.

Still, it's going to be wild ride this holiday season.

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Posted Fri Aug24, 2007, 5:26 PM — By Doug

The bottom line is the financial incentive Paramount received. It has been confirmed in all sorts of media...not just with internet speculators. All the other reasons Paramount offers are justification, not original rationale. And why should they care? Other studios have picked just one side, why can't they? Because their blu-ray owning consumers are going to feel ripped off because they are removing support, which is very different from never pledging it in the first place. I have no problem with Universal or Disney picking a side in the format war. I have a serious problem with Paramount's customer focus. But the customer group is too small to matter to them in the face of $50+ million. That is very sad...even if many large business's are run the very same way. The biggest problem of course is for the general consumer who'd like to upgrade, can't afford both formats and doesn't want to risk buying the losing technology.

Posted Fri Aug24, 2007, 6:41 PM — By David Vaughn

Doug, first off, no one from Paramount has confirmed the $150 Million dollar figure. The New York times said that anonymous sources at Viacom said there were financial incentives (marketing wise), but no dollar amount was mentioned at all other than on some Internet Forums. As Shane pointed out, what dollar amount is Sony giving to the other studios to stay neutral or fully committed to Blu-ray? The only way we are going to "know" that Paramount has been "paid off" with $150 million in cash is when they release their balance sheets with their SEC filings, until then, it isn't a fact, even though some are reporting it as such.

Posted Fri Aug24, 2007, 7:44 PM — By Shane

And there's this too- Paramount was originally an HD DVD exclusive studio before being wooed Blu. And according to many reports Paramount's Blu-ray efforts have been heavily subsidized.

Posted Fri Aug24, 2007, 7:52 PM — By Stephen Beney

Ironically, as this war drags on the biggest winners and losers aren't Blu-ray or HD-DVD, but DVD and consumers, respectively. I love hi-def (both audio and visual), and a disc is the best way to deliver that. I believe the format war was initially good - HD-DVD came out blazing with quality stuff causing Blu-ray to respond in kind. I believe, however, that the benefits of the format war have mostly passed. One format is needed to win the consumer over, and blu-ray looked like it heading into Christmas. Now we are stepping backwards away from a single victor. This will just keep consumers away - anyone remember SACD and DVD-Audio (not counting classical, jazz fans!). Instead of hi-def audio we still have CD's and now MP3's. If we are not careful, we will have to be content with DVD's only and iTunes movies!

Posted Fri Aug24, 2007, 8:05 PM — By Ivan

Nicely done Shane! This is the best summary yet of the furor spawned by the announcement this past week. The "media" is nothing but an echo chamber--the distinction between news and op-ed has all but disintegrated. Why didn't they investigate how much money or incentives Sony has paid to their exclusive studios? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? This all matters little to J6P--atachment rates notwithstanding. :) They aren't interested in studio support. But rather, about the movies themselves. So for those who want to watch Transformers, Shrek 3, and The Bourne Ultimatum in HD on their new HDTV's this Christmas, they are going to get an HD DVD player for under $200. For those that want Spiderman 3 and Ratatouille, that'll be a Blu-Ray player for under $400. As an aside, kudos to the MS VC-1/HDi representatives for exhibiting professionalism which is sorely lacking from the likes of the BluRay insiders; all clearly demonstrated with the postings in

Posted Fri Aug24, 2007, 10:38 PM — By RCW

Shane - Another thing to keep in mind is that the HD-DVD exclusive studios have yet to announce any of it's major exclusives for the 4th quarter, save for maybe Trek S1 & Battlestar Galactica S1. My understanding is that Paramount/Dreamworks will be far more prolific with titles now since they are just producing for one HD format. It is heavily RUMORED that we could see Chinatown, Psycho & Apocalypse Now announced in the coming weeks for HD-DVD.

Posted Mon Aug27, 2007, 1:03 AM — By Shane

Ivan- we cut you off- come back and finish, I'm interested in reading the rest of your take.

BTW- I'm still, to quote Mother and Ash, collating all this data. But right now, I'm almost solidified on a new stance. Buy two players and stop worrying.

A PS3 is a steal at $499, and once the Toshiba HD-A20 is 1080p/24, that could be the ticket. Two players but big deal. How many of you out there have a DVD player and a DVR? Or, c'mon, admit it, some of you even have VCRs for those tapes you just can't give up, plus a DVR and a DVD player.

So, question to you- is having two HD players really that bad?

Posted Mon Aug27, 2007, 8:47 AM — By Claude

It's really not a problem for us video/audio nuts to go out and buy two players as prices drop and be done with it. The real problem lies in the hi-def disc format's acceptance by the general public. I don't know a single person who is not an audio/videophile who is willing to buy two players. The reality here folks is that one format needs to come out on top in order for this thing to hopefully have a chance to take off and garner more that a paltry niche percentage of the market. I don't think any of us want to see an SACD/DVD-A conclusion to this format war. Blu-Ray looked like it was going to do it. Now, who knows. I'm still betting on the Blu horse though.

Posted Tue Aug28, 2007, 4:58 PM — By Aron

Shane: I recall the careful and discerning comparative analysis of DVD players you did for TPV (the various "shootouts" -- too bad you're not doing these anymore!), so let me ask: is video quality no longer a distinguishing characteristic between these formats. I.e., was HD-DVD's superior video quality all merely a function of its use of the VC-1 codec (which is subtly better than even MPEG4)? I recall Joe Kane (who found HD-DVD superior to Blu-Ray precisely because of its use of VC-1) writing that, IN PRINCIPLE (if not yet in practice), Blu-Ray had the POTENTIAL to be the superior format. The reason for this, he said, is that Blu-Ray's larger buffer size enables those doing encoding to use less peak compression (thus reducing compression-related artifacts). [Recall that both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are compressed by ~50:1 to 100:1 from the original HD signal, and that perceptive viewers using quality equipment can tell that these compressed formats are not quite as good as the origin

Posted Tue Aug28, 2007, 7:54 PM — By Shane

I think Blu-ray has always had the potential for better in a lot of people's minds, but more because of its greater storage capacity. However, as far as pure picture and sound quality goes, HD DVD's 30GB capacity has not been a barrier at all. Look at Peter Jackson's King Kong, on a single disc and you see what I mean.

I suppose that if you really wanted to load up a disc with features, Blu-ray on BD-50 could obviously accommodate more features and leave more room for high quality audio and video, strictly speaking.

I also don't think one compression scheme has risen above the others. Other aspects of authoring and mastering seem to be playing a more significant role than any one codec's superiority.

Posted Wed Aug29, 2007, 4:07 AM — By Ivan

As I was saying: As an aside, kudos to the MS VC-1/HDi representatives for exhibiting professionalism which is sorely lacking from the likes of the BluRay insiders; all clearly demonstrated with their postings in a popular insider thread in a popular forum.

I think J6P is apathetic to, and ignorant of this "war." I find the BDA tactics to be abhorrent--basically spread FUD about HD DVD while they work on finalizing their "profiles" and feature set. The kind of early adopters BDA have won via the trojan horse PS3 has turned out to be exactly the types that make meaningful discussion of the intricate and technical facts nearly impossible.

I agree with Claude in that J6P will NOT get two HD players. Can you imagine J6P trying to figure out which disc plays in which player and making sure they have the correct input selected on their receiver and display? Provided they didn't hook up the HD players via the Composite or S-Video inputs because they don't have enough HDMI inputs

Posted Wed Aug29, 2007, 4:24 AM — By Ivan

...HDMI inputs on their receivers?

The real answer here is an affordable dual-format player. Which I think is not likely in the next year, if ever. The main CE companies have too much at stake to allow this to happen.

I'm afraid that both HD optical formats might be reduced to LaserDisc status if something drastic doesn't happen in the next year and a half or so. Great for enthusiasts, but largely ignored by J6P.

We'll know this Christmas whether HD DVD will survive, or be "dead" as claimed by the BDA numerous times this year. By Christmas 2008, we'll know for sure whether either will replace DVD as the next home movie media of choice.

I look forward to reading more about this format war as it progresses from you. At least your take has been truthful and practical; unlike the multitudes of other bloggers and supposed news organizations who seem to have bought into the BDA's FUD hook, line and sinker.

Posted Wed Aug29, 2007, 12:06 PM — By Shane

I wouldn't mind at all if these formats became the next LaserDisc. It would be an excellent opportunity to see the enthusiast market become strong again.

When the LaserDisc niche was alive dealers weren't trying to sell a commodity against the big box stores. The people who went into these stores wanted an elevated experience and they got expert advice from a well-trained staff on how to attain it. And looking at the emails that come in here day in and day out, people aren't getting that level of service any more.

Every store I went into that was the LaserDisc store in a given town had the best gear, the most knowledgeable staff and the best demonstration facilities. People email me all the time- dealers like this aren't easy to find anymore.

DVD and Best Buy killed off most of these stores. I know it's not what the studios or manufacturers want, but it's cool with me for sure. And yes, I'm more than happy to pay more for the hardware and software if this is the c

Posted Wed Aug29, 2007, 12:14 PM — By Shane

Finishing previous thread (our little character counter mislead me!). And since I'm back, another sentence or two won't hurt.

I'm more than happy to pay more for the hardware and software if this is the case. And yes, I know I"m nuts. But I've always been willing to pay more for quality and support a smaller, enthusiast driven market.

And hey, all you LaserDisc guys out there- weren't we all way cooler back when we had something that no one else on our block had?

If the masses stick with DVD or migrate to download and we have Blu-ray and HD DVD, that's damn near as cool as pulling out the LDs for people who were still popping VHS tapes in their crappy machines and didn't know an aspect ratio or a director's commentary from a freakin' hole in the ground.

Ahhh, never thought I'd wax nostalgic for the LD days...

Posted Wed Aug29, 2007, 12:28 PM — By Derf

Shane - I don't know what you're talking about?? I just put a Blu-ray in my Pioneer Elite laserdisc player and when I hit play, all I get is I Love Lucy reruns. No wonder that guy JSP is so confused!!!

Posted Wed Aug29, 2007, 12:33 PM — By shane

I think I bought a Criterion Collection box set of I Love Lucy on LD once...

Posted Wed Aug29, 2007, 4:24 PM — By David Vaughn

You mean I can safely get rid of my VHS tapes?

Posted Wed Aug29, 2007, 9:21 PM — By Ivan

Sorry Shane--I have to disagree. Nostalgic it may be, but I loathed the price of LDs, and the amount of space they took up! So very few stores carried them--I literally had to drive three hours each way to get to a large LD store called Ken Crane's. :(

I still have over 300 LD's sitting around in a couple of boxes somewhere. Other than the superior sound from the higher bandwidth DD and DTS tracks on some LD's, DVD is better. And now, HD DVD is even better...

Times have changed though--we don't need to hang out at the few LD stores to mix-it up with fellow enthusiasts anymore. The Internet has changed everything; from accessibility, to prices, to our ability to connect with fellow enthusiasts and hobbyists everywhere.

More importantly, I really doubt the studios would choose to sustain either of the HD optical formats if they became niche like LD.

P.S. Yeah--the character counter lies! And what's up with the cryptic character check? Is that an "i", "l"

Posted Thu Aug30, 2007, 12:34 AM — By Shane

I'm not arguing that the LD was better than even DVD, that was tongue in cheek.

While this must be funny as hell from a web guy, the Internet and DVd being a commodity put a lot of dealers out of business and replaced them with well meaning but misguided online "experts" who misinform more often than inform.

People think they don't need a good dealer because of what Joe blow on the Forum says. And that ain't always so.

I think a lot of people would be better off if they could go a retailer like a few of the home theater dealers I remember from back in the day when LD was driving the market and quality mattered- quality in the service and the gear.

That's all. Price is the lowest common denominator, and that's never to the true enthusiast's advantage in many respects.

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